000 FXUS63 KABR 080215 AAA AFDABR AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ABERDEEN SD 815 PM CST FRI DEC 7 2007 .UPDATE... MADE SOME MINOR UPDATES TO FORECAST TONIGHT BASED ON CURRENT TRENDS. MSAS ANALYSIS INDICATING SFC RIDGE EXTENDING FROM NERN MT SEWD THRU ERN SD. MEANWHILE...WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWING STRONG STORM SYSTEM CONTINUING TO ORGANIZE OVER THE DESERT SOUTHWEST. IR IMAGERY SHOWING MID/HIGH CLOUDS OVER WYOMING TRYING TO MAKE A RUN ACROSS SD...HOWEVER VERY DRY AIR IN PLACE ACROSS THE EAST HINDERING EWD PUSH. ANOTHER BRUTALLY COLD NIGHT UPCOMING ACROSS THE JAMES RIVER VALLEY...WITH READING FALLING INTO THE DOUBLE DIGITS BELOW ZERO. FURTHER TO THE WEST...INCREASING HIGH CLOUDS WILL PRECLUDE TEMP FREE FALLL SOMEWHAT. AS FOR PRECIPITATION...REGIONAL RADAR MOSAIC SHOWING ECHOES CONFINED PRIMARILY OVER FAR SOUTHWEST SD AND FAR NRN NE. CONTINUE TO PREFER THE DRIER LOOK OF THE GFS TONIGHT AND SATURDAY...WITH BEST CHANCE OF LIGHT SNOW/FLURRIES ALONG AND SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 14...WITH ANY ACCUMULATING SNOW SOUTH OF I-90. PERSISTENT ARCTIC HIGH TO RESULT IN COLD TEMPS SATURDAY...SOME 10-20F BELOW NORMAL MOST LOCALES. AVIATION DISCUSSION HAS BEEN UPDATED BELOW. && .PREV DISCUSSION... .SHORT TERM...THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING HAVE MANAGED DOUBLE DIGITS IN THE JAMES VALLEY AND ALONG THE SISSETON HILLS...IMPRESSIVE CONSIDERING THE -14F START IN ABERDEEN. AT H85 LEVEL...TEMPERATURES STARTING AT -8C WITH WEAK CAA...DROPPING AS LOW AS -14C OVER OUR NORTHEAST COUNTIES THIS EVENING. CONSIDERING THE DROP OF 20F IN 4 HOURS LAST NIGHT AND LOW START TO THIS EVENING...AND CLEAR SKIES EXPECTED MOST OF THE NIGHT...WILL CONTINUE TO UNDERCUT GUIDANCE BY 10F TO 15F FOR THE JAMES VALLEY/SISSETON HILLS. APPROACHING SYSTEM TO ADVECT HIGH CLOUD DECK LATE TONIGHT...REACHING THE JAMES VALLEY/SISSETON HILLS BY 09Z. SHOULD SEE SLOWER/LEVEL TEMPERATURE TREND PAST THIS POINT. SLOW TEMPERATURE RECOVERY TOMORROW WITH CLOUD COVER AND LIGHT NORTH WIND WITH HIGH PRESSURE OVER NORTH DAKOTA. CONTINUED HIGH CLOUD INTO SATURDAY NIGHT WILL MODERATE READINGS SOMEWHAT...BUT WITH LITTLE MOVEMENT OF ARCTIC AIRMASS AND DRY LOW LAYERS WILL CONTINUE TO UNDERCUT MODEL GUIDANCE. AS FOR SNOW POTENTIAL SATURDAY...WILL CONTINUE WITH GFS/ECMWF AS MODELS OF PREFERENCE. PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ISSUES WITH NAM ATTEMPT TO MOVE ARCTIC AIRMASS THE DECIDING FACTOR. SREF PWAT ANOMALY OF 3 TO 4 STANDARD DEVIATIONS NOTED WITH DEVELOPING SYSTEM...WHILE DRY ARCTIC AIRMASS WITH PWAT VALUES A STANDARD DEVIATION BELOW SITS OVER NORTH DAKOTA. THE CWA RESIDES BETWEEN THE TWO...TRENDING TOWARDS THE DRIER SIDE. SERIES OF FRONTOGENETIC BANDS WILL SWEEP NORTHWARD SATURDAY...BUT MAINLY AT THE H6/H5 LEVELS. LITTLE LIFT APPEARS REALIZED BELOW THE H7 LEVEL EXCEPT ALONG OUR SOUTHERN PERIPHERY. CONTINUE TO SEE MODERATE CONDENSATION PRESSURE DEFICITS BELOW THIS LEVEL AS WELL. WILL LIKELY SEE SERIES OF SNOW BANDS MOVE INTO CENTRAL SOUTH DAKOTA BEFORE DISSIPATING AS DRIER AIR IS ENTRAINED. GFS SOUNDINGS ACROSS NORTHERN SOUTH DAKOTA SUPPORT THIS WITH SNOW GROWTH REGIONS WELL ABOVE AN APPARENT H7 TO H85 DRY LAYER. FURTHER SOUTH...WILL NOT ISSUE HEADLINES FOR LYMAN/JONES/BUFFALO COUNTIES DESPITE GFS SOUNDINGS THAT SUGGEST SNOW GROWTH CLOSER TO SURFACE THROUGH 06Z SUNDAY AS ONLY 3 ENSEMBLE MEMBERS SUGGEST ENOUGH LIQUID TO APPROACH SNOW ADVISORY CRITERIA ALONG THE I90 CORRIDOR. .LONG TERM...12Z SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. BIGGEST FORECAST CHALLENGE IN THE EXTENDED DEALS WITH PCPN CHANCES MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY...AND TEMPS THROUGHOUT. FIRST OFF..DEALING WITH MODELS...THE NAM APPEARS TO BE TO STRONG WITH WAA TAKING PLACE THROUGH THE FIRST PART OF THE EXTENDED...WITH EXCELLENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE EC AND GFS. BASED ON TRACK RECORD OF THE GFS...HAVE USED IT AS THE MODEL OF CHOICE FOR THE EXTENDED PERIOD. 12Z SUNDAY BEGINS WITH THE CWA BETWEEN NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN STREAMS. SFC HIGH REMAINS ENTRENCHED ACROSS ND/MN AND NORTHERN SD THROUGH THE WEEKEND WITH COND PRESSURE DEFICITS INDICATING PTCLOUDY SKIES THROUGH THE WEEKEND. WITH LIGHT WINDS AND GOOD SNOWPACK ACROSS MUCH OF EASTERN SODAK...HAVE LOWERED MAX/MN T GRIDS A BIT MORE FOR THE SUNDAY/MONDAY TIME FRAME. LITTLE IF ANY MIXING ANTICIPATED...AND GOOD RADIATIONAL COOLING SETUP OVERNIGHT SHOULD LEAD TO COOLER READINGS. GFS IS NOW SHOWING A VERY SIMILAR SETUP FOR MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY TO WHAT IS EXPECTED FOR TONIGHT. 7H TROF LIFTS OUT OF SW CONUS WITH WAA RETURNING TO CWA. DIFFLUENT FLOW TAKES PLACE DURING THE DAY TUESDAY...MAINLY ACROSS THE SRN 1/2 OF THE KABR CWA. THERE IS SOME MINIMAL 7H FRONTOGENESIS THAT TAKES PLACE DURING THE DAY TUESDAY...WITH A SLIGHT INCREASE IN PWATS ALSO BY 18Z TUESDAY. SFC HIGH PRESSURE REMAINS FURTHER WEST OF THE REGION...WHICH WON`T SHUT OFF THE NORTHWARD MOISTURE FLOW. HAVE INTRODUCED CHC/SLGT CHC POPS FOR THE SOUTHERN 1/2 OF THE CWA BEGINNING LATE MONDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY. THE EC ADVERTISES A BIT MORE OF A SPLIT FLOW REGIME FOR THE TIME PERIOD...BUT AGREES IN GENERAL WITH PCPN CHCS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE AREA. GFS THEN SHOWS A COLD FRONT SLIPPING SOUTH REINFORCING THE COOL AIR ALREADY IN PLACE DURING THE DAY THURSDAY. ATTM LOOKS LIKE FRONT IS DRY ALTHO THE EC IS HINTING AT LIGHT SNOW/FLURRIES POSSIBLE. WITH REGARDS TO HPC TEMPS...HAVE LOWERED THEM 3 TO 5 DEGREES ACROSS THE BOARD BASED ON CURRENT SNOWPACK...EXPECTED SNOWFALL ACROSS OUR FAR SW AND 85H TEMPS. && .AVIATION... VFR CONDITIONS WILL CONTINUE AT TERMINALS OVERNIGHT AS SFC HIGH PRESSURE REMAINS PARKED ACROSS SD. SATELLITE TRENDS SHOWING MID-HIGH CLOUDS MAKING A SLOW PUSH NWD INTO CENTRAL AND NERN SD AHEAD OF DEVELOPING STORM SYSTEM OVER THE ROCKIES. SIMULATED IR PRODUCT FROM 4KM CRAS APPEARS TO HAVE GOOD HANDLE ON CLOUD TREND ATTM SO WILL FOLLOW FOR TIMING OF HIGH CLOUDS TONIGHT. FIRST IN A SERIES OF WEATHER DISTURBANCES TO EJECT NEWD INTO THE PLAINS ON SATURDAY. EXPECT CIGS TO GRADUALLY FALL FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST...HOWEVER VERY DRY AIR NEAR THE SFC SHOULD KEEP THE MAJORITY OF CIGS ACRS NERN SD IN THE VFR CATEGORY. FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT PORTIONS OF CENTRAL SD WILL SEE AREAS OF LIGHT SNOW DEVELOP BY MORNING...WITH MVFR CIGS/VSBYS LIKELY AT KPIR AFTER 14Z. DEPENDING ON SURGE OF MOISTURE...COULD EVEN SEE OCCNL IFR VSBYS /1-2SM/ BUT CONFIDENCE TOO LOW TO INCLUDE IN KPIR TAF ATTM. && .ABR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SD...NONE. MN...NONE. && $$ UPDATE...FOWLE SHORT TERM...CONNELLY LONG TERM...HINTZ AVIATION...FOWLE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 000 FXUS63 KABR 240943 AFDABR AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ABERDEEN SD 343 AM CST MON DEC 24 2007 .SHORT TERM...TODAY THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT STRATUS DECK HANGING IN TOUGH ALONG THE JAMES VALLEY AND POINTS EAST EARLY THIS MORNING...THUS KEEPING TEMPS WELL IN THE TEENS. JUST TO THE WEST WHERE SKIES HAVE CLEARED TEMPS ARE IN THE SINGLE DIGITS AND APPROACHING ZERO. WINDS HAVE ALSO SLACKENED AS HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE AT THE SURFACE IS OVER CENTRAL SOUTH DAKOTA. STILL EXPECTING BREAKS IN THE STRATUS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS AS THE ENTIRE DECK SHIFTS EAST. DID INCREASE SKY COVER THOUGH AT 12Z THIS MORNING AS IT WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE CLOUDIER THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY FORECAST THIS MORNING. HIGH CLOUDS ALSO APPROACHING FROM THE NORTHWEST IN ADVANCE OF WAA AHEAD OF NEXT SYSTEM. MID/HIGH CLOUDS WILL BE ON THE INCREASE TODAY AS WAA SPREADS OVER THE AREA. TEMPS SHOULD BE ABLE TO WARM INTO THE 30S ACROSS CENTRAL SD...COOLING INTO THE LOW 20S ACROSS THE EASTERN CWA. ALTHOUGH WILL ONCE AGAIN SUFFER FROM A LACK OF MIXING AND A SNOWFIELD ACROSS THE EASTERN CWA AND MAY HAVE TO LOWER HIGHS A COUPLE DEGREES FOR MORNING UPDATE. MAIN CHALLENGE IN THE SHORT TERM DEALS WITH PRECIP TYPE TONIGHT AND AREAL COVERAGE OF PRECIPITATION. NAM CONTINUES TO BE QUICKER AND DRIER WITH THE SYSTEM...ALTHOUGH NAM IS TYPICALLY A DRIER SOLUTION ANYWAY. EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE DRIER SOLUTION...IT HAS INCREASED ITS QPF FROM ITS RUN 6 HOURS AGO. AFTER EXAMINING BUFKIT AND MODEL SOUNDINGS...AS WELL AS WAA/CAA PATTERNS AT 925/850 MB AND THEIR TEMPERATURES...SEEMS AS IF THERE MAY BE A BRIEF PERIOD THIS EVENING WHEN ALL RAIN COULD OCCUR ACROSS CENTRAL SD. SOUNDINGS SATURATE ABOUT THE TIME WHEN SFC TEMPS SHOULD BE NEAR OR ABOVE FREEZING OVER CENTRAL SD. ALSO...ONCE WINDS TURN WESTERLY THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH MIXING OF THE WARMER AIR ALOFT TO ALLOW SOME LOCATIONS TO RISE ABOVE 32. HAVE THEREFORE ADDED A COUPLE HOURS OF RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN MENTION FROM ABOUT 00Z-02Z ACROSS CENTRAL SD. WILL ALSO KEEP AREA OF FREEZING RAIN OR SNOW ACROSS THE CENTRAL PART OF THE STATE THIS EVENING...BUT WILL EXPAND THIS POSSIBILITY EAST TOWARDS THE JAMES VALLEY. HAVE ALSO CHANGED PRECIP TYPE TO ALL SNOW AFTER 06Z. STILL NOT EXPECTING MUCH IN THE WAY OF ACTUAL PRECIPITATION WITH SNOW AMOUNTS GENERALLY UNDER AN INCH OR TWO. ICE ACCUMULATIONS COULD BE A COUPLE HUNDREDTHS ACROSS CENTRAL SD THIS EVENING. SREF MEMBERS ALSO SHOWING PROBS OF FREEZING RAIN FROM ABOUT 30 PERCENT OR LESS...WITH A BULLSEYE OF 50 PERCENT RIGHT OVER ABR. WILL HAVE TO WATCH THIS TREND. MODELS STARTING TO TREND TOWARDS INCREASED CLOUDINESS BEHIND THIS SYSTEM FOR TUESDAY AND ESPECIALLY TUESDAY NIGHT AS RH FROM 850 AND BELOW INCREASES. CRAS SATELLITE FORECAST IMAGERY ALSO HINTING AT THIS SCENARIO. COULD BE ENOUGH MOISTURE AND LIFT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE WAVE TO PRODUCE A FEW FLURRIES OR LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS SO LEFT LOW POPS IN THE FORECAST FOR TUESDAY NIGHT. .LONG TERM...WEDNESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. MAIN FCST CHALLENGE FOR THE EXTENDED STILL DEALS WITH POTENTIAL STORM SYSTEM AFFECTING THE AREA LATE IN THE WEEK. PRIOR TO THAT...THE MODELS ARE IN PRETTY FAIR AGREEMENT WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT. UPPER TROF EXITS TO THE EAST OF THE REGION BY WEDNESDAY MORNING...WITH S/W RIDGING TAKING PLACE THROUGH THURSDAY MORNING. REGION DOESN'T UNDERGO STRONG WAA THROUGH THE TIME PERIOD...AND WITH SPRAWLING SFC HIGH THROUGH THE AREA...A BIT WORRIED ABOUT VENTILATION CAPABILITIES. SEEMS TO BE A PRIME SITUATION WHERE LOW STRATUS DECK GETS TRAPPED UNDER INVERSION WITH LITTLE SFC-850MB MIXING WIND TAKING PLACE. HAVE UPPED SKY COVER A BIT WEDNESDAY/WEDNESDAY NIGHT AS WELL AS CONT TO UNDERCUT GUIDANCE VALUES BY ABOUT A CATEGORY FOR HIGHS/LOWS. ATTENTION THEN TURNS TOWARD THE END OF THE WEEK. MODELS ARE STILL PROGGING A LONG-WAVE TROF TO DROP INTO THE DESERT SW BEFORE BEGINNING TO LIFT INTO THE MIDWEST BY FRIDAY. THE 00Z GFS STILL REMAINS OUT OF SORTS WITH ITS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS...ALTHO THEY ARE BEGINNING TO COME A BIT CLOSER TOGETHER. THE GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS ARE SLOWER AND A BIT FURTHER WEST WITH THE FEATURE. BY 12Z FRIDAY THE ENSEMBLE MEAN PLACES A SFC LOW IN EXTREME NW MO...WHILE THE OPERATIONAL GFS HAS THE LOW NEAR CHICAGO. THE CANADIAN ENSEMBLES AND 23/18Z DGEX AGREE WITH THE GFS ENSEMBLE SOLN...AT LEAST AT 5H. THE LATEST EC SFC POSN AGREES MORE WITH THE OPERATIONAL GFS. HAVE FOR THE TIME BEING LEFT CURRENT WX GRIDS AS IS...WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME COSMETIC TWEAKS. IF THE GFS/CANADIAN ENSEMBLES END UP BEING CLOSER TO REALITY...WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME POPS INSERTED FOR FRIDAY...AT LEAST FOR THE MORNING. STILL TOO MUCH UNCERTAINITY TO ALTER CURRENT FCST. && .AVIATION... IFR CONDS ARE EXPECTED TO PERSIST FROM THE JAMES RIVER VALLEY AND POINTS EAST THROUGH 15Z BEFORE BEGINNING A SLOW IMPROVEMENT. KABR WILL BE THE FIRST TO CLIMB INTO MVFR STATUS BETWEEN 15Z AND 18Z...WITH KATY FOLLOWING FROM 17Z TO 20Z. FUTHER WEST...FOR KPIR AND KMBG...VFR CONDS WILL CONT THROUGH 06Z TUESDAY. AN EXPANSIVE AREA OF MID/HIGH LEVEL CLOUDS WILL OVERSPREAD THE AREA BY 00Z TUESDAY WITH THE APPROACH OF THE NEXT STORM SYSTEM. SOME LIGHT FREEZING RAIN OR LIGHT SNOW IS POSSIBLE FROM THE JAMES RIVER VALLEY AND WEST AFT 06Z TUESDAY. && .ABR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SD...NONE. MN...NONE. && $$ SHORT TERM...TMT LONG TERM...HINTZ AVIATION...HINTZ WEATHER.GOV/ABERDEEN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 000 FXUS63 KABR 211005 AFDABR AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ABERDEEN SD 405 AM CST MON JAN 21 2008 .SHORT TERM...TODAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY LIGHT SNOW CONTINUES TO FALL ACROSS THE SOUTHERN TWO-THIRDS OF THE CWA BUT FLURRIES MAKING IT AS FAR NORTH AS THE ND/SD BORDER WITH ABR CURRENTLY REPORTING 6SM BR...BUT THE BR IS ACTUALLY FLURRIES. STILL PLENTY OF LIGHT SNOW UPSTREAM WITH KUNR RADAR SHOWING LIGHT SNOW ALL THE WAY WEST TO THE BLACK HILLS. SFC OBS ALSO REVEAL LIGHT SNOW BACK TO THE SAME AREA. RAISED POPS TO CATEGORICAL ACROSS THE SOUTHERN CWA FOR A FEW HOURS THIS MORNING BEFORE ACTIVITY DIMINISHES AND SHIFTS SOUTH IN RESPONSE TO DRIER AIR AND SFC HIGH PRESSURE SLOWLY SLIDING SOUTH INTO THE AREA. WILL ALSO INSERT SCT FLURRIES ACROSS THE NORTHERN CWA...EXCEPT FOR THE FAR NORTHEAST WHERE AIR SHOULD REMAIN TOO DRY CLOSER TO THE SFC RIDGE AXIS. WILL ALSO CANCEL THE WINTER WX ADVISORY AS BLOWING SNOW/WIND AND WIND CHILLS JUST NOT AN ISSUE WITH THIS SYSTEM. WINDS GENERALLY LESS THAN 10 MPH ACROSS THE ADVISED AREA AND ONLY EXPECTING ANOTHER INCH AT MOST BEFORE SNOW ENDS LATER TODAY. MURDO/CHAMBERLAIN WEB CAMS SHOW ONLY LIGHT SNOW BUT NO ISSUES WITH BLOWING SNOW AND VSBYS APPEAR OK. TRENDED POPS TO LOW CHANCE AFTER 18Z TODAY AND CONFINED THEM TO THE SOUTHERN CWA. HAVE ALSO SLOWED DOWN CLOUD DEPARTURE TODAY BASED ON SOUNDINGS AND CRAS FORECAST SATELLITE IMAGERY. WILL STILL SEE GRADUAL DECREASE IN CLOUDS FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST THROUGHOUT THE DAY...BUT JUST NOT AS FAST AS PREVIOUSLY EXPECTED. STILL ON TRACK FOR TWO CLIPPERS SLIDING THROUGH THE AREA. ONE VERY WEAK WAVE FOR LATE TONIGHT/TUESDAY MORNING AND KEPT SCT FLURRIES MENTION ACROSS THE EXTREME NORTHEASTERN CWA. BETTER CHANCE FOR LIGHT SNOW WILL BE ACROSS EASTERN ND AND NORTHERN MN. BETTER LOOKING WAVE STILL SET TO MOVE SOUTHEAST THROUGH THE AREA TUESDAY NIGHT. HAVE INCREASED POPS FOR THIS...ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE WESTERN CWA. HAVE ALSO INCREASED SNOW ACCUMS SLIGHTLY. ANOTHER SHOT OF ARCTIC AIR BEHIND THIS FRONT WITH INCREASED NORTHERLY WINDS. AS FOR TEMPERATURES...GUIDANCE HAS COME UP FOR HIGHS TODAY AND HAVE FOLLOWED SUIT. UNDERCUT HIGHS TOO MUCH YESTERDAY ACROSS CENTRAL SD AND PIR/MBG WERE ABLE TO WARM INTO THE TEENS EVEN WITH SNOW/CLOUDS. TEMPS EARLY THIS MORNING STILL IN THE MID/UPPER SINGLE DIGITS AND WITH CLOUDS...DO NOT EXPECT TEMPS TO FALL MORE THAN A COUPLE DEGREES BEFORE SUNRISE. SHOULD THEREFORE BE ABLE TO RISE TO AROUND 10 OR SO ACROSS CENTRAL SD THIS AFTERNOON. LOWS TONIGHT TRICKY AS THERMAL RIDGE MOVES INTO THE AREA WHILE SFC WINDS INCREASE. WILL DROP OFF QUICKLY THIS EVENING BUT EXPECTING TEMPS TO STEADY OUT OR EVEN RISE A FEW DEGREES OVERNIGHT AS WAA BUILDS AND WINDS INCREASE. RAISED LOWS A FEW DEGREES IN RESPONSE TO THIS. TRICKY FORECAST BECAUSE FRESH COUPLE INCHES OF SNOW ACROSS THE SOUTHWESTERN CWA WILL ALLOW TEMPS TO DROP QUICKLY THIS EVENING. HARD TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE WAA/WINDS. CONCERNING WIND CHILLS...IT DOES APPEAR WE COULD FALL INTO ADVISORY CRITERIA OVERNIGHT...BUT WILL LEAVE THE SPECIFICS FOR DAY SHIFT SINCE THERE ARE UNCERTAINTIES IN TONIGHTS LOWS WHICH WOULD AFFECT HOW LOW WIND CHILLS GET. IF LOWS END UP BEING A FEW DEGREES WARMER THAN FORECAST /CURRENT MIN T GRID ACTUALLY UNDERCUTS MAV GUIDANCE/ THEN CRITERIA MAY NOT BE MET. ALSO...AS WINDS INCREASE...TEMPS MAY ACTUALLY RISE A FEW DEGREES. A BIT TOO EARLY TO SORT THIS OUT AND WILL LET DAY SHIFT MONITOR TEMP TRENDS AND MAKE THE FINAL CALL. REGARDLESS...WILL KEEP MENTION OF THE LOW WIND CHILLS IN THE HWO AND ZONE FORECAST WILL MENTION THIS ALSO. .LONG TERM...WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY ONE MORE COLD NIGHT IN THE EXTENDED WITH ARCTIC AIR OVER THE AREA WITH A WARMING TREND FOR THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE RIDGING SLIDING EAST OF THE CWA ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT WILL RESULT IN LIGHT WINDS BECOMING SOUTH BY MORNING. AFTER A COLD DAY WEDNESDAY...TEMPERATURES SHOULD FALL BELOW ZERO ACROSS MOST OF THE CWA UNDER MOSTLY CLEAR SKIES FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT. SOUTH WINDS WILL BRING IN WARMER AIR FOR THURSDAY THROUGH FRIDAY WITH UPPER LEVEL HIGH PRESSURE RIDGING SLIDING OVER THE REGION. MAY HAVE TO INCREASE HIGHS SOME MORE FOR THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. OTHERWISE..THE EC...DGEX AND GFS SHOW THE LARGE UPPER LOW STILL SPINNING OVER CALIFORNIA AND OFF THE COAST EARLY ON IN THE PERIOD. SOME SHORT WAVE ENERGY COMING OFF OF THIS LOW WILL TRACK NORTHEAST AND INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST FOR FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT. THE MODELS SHOW SOME DIFFERENCES IN THE TRACK AND STRENGTH WITH THIS. ADDED IN SOME 20 POPS FOR FRIDAY ACROSS MUCH OF THE CWA. THE MODELS THEN SHOW EVEN MORE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES WITH THE TIMING...TRACK AND STRENGTH OF THE UPPER LOW OVER CALIFORNIA FINALLY LIFTING NORTHEAST INTO THE CENTRAL PART OF THE US SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. THE EC WAS QUITE IMPRESSIVE WITH THE SURFACE LOW PRESSURE AREA BY SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY. KEPT IT DRY FOR NOW AND WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR LATER MODEL RUNS. && .AVIATION... WIDESPREAD LIGHT SNOW/FLURRIES WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT ALL TAF SITES THROUGH 18Z OR SO. EXPECT VISIBILITIES TO REMAIN GENERALLY IN THE 3 TO 7 MILE RANGE. PIR AND ATY WILL OCCASIONALLY FALL TO LESS THAN 3 MILES. OTHERWISE...EXPECT MVFR/VFR CEILINGS OF 2000 TO 5000 FEET TO REMAIN AT ALL TAF SITES THROUGH MUCH OF THE DAY WITH THE CLOUDS BREAKING UP THIS EVENING AT MBG AND PIR AS SUBSIDENCE AND DRIER AIR MOVES IN. EXPECT THE CLOUDS TO BREAK UP AT ABR AND ATY LATE THIS EVENING AND OVERNIGHT. && .ABR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SD...NONE. MN...NONE. && $$ SHORT TERM...TMT LONG TERM...MOHR AVIATION...MOHR WEATHER.GOV/ABERDEEN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 000 FXUS63 KABR 290834 AFDABR AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ABERDEEN SD 334 AM CDT MON SEP 29 2008 .SHORT TERM...TODAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY COOL HIGH PRESSURE CONTINUES TO BUILD INTO THE REGION AS TEMPS ARE DROPPING INTO THE UPPER 30S ACROSS NORTH CENTRAL SOUTH DAKOTA. THIS HIGH WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD ACROSS THE AREA THROUGH TONIGHT AND MAIN FORECAST CONCERN ARISES TONIGHT IN LOW TEMPERATURES. NEARLY IDEAL RADIATIONAL COOLING SETUP FOR TONIGHT WITH COOL HIGH PRESSURE CENTERED DIRECTLY OVERHEAD...WITH MOSTLY CLEAR SKIES AND LIGHT WINDS. GUIDANCE VALUES SHOWING OVERNIGHT LOWS GENERALLY FROM 35 TO 40 DEGREES...BUT FEEL THIS IS A BIT TOO WARM. ONLY FLY IN THE OINTMENT FOR A PERFECT RADIATIONAL COOLING NIGHT IS POSSIBILITY FOR CLOUD COVER ACROSS THE EASTERN CWA. CRAS FORECAST SATELLITE IMAGERY AND RH FIELDS...AS WELL AS TIME HEIGHTS AND SOUNDINGS ALL INDICATE PERHAPS SOME SCT CLOUDS ACROSS THE AREA OVERNIGHT. IN FACT...MAV GUIDANCE BRINGS IN FEW/SCT/BKN CONDITIONS AFTER 06Z TO THE EASTERN SITES. WILL THEREFORE HOLD OFF ON ANY FROST ADVISORIES AT THIS TIME AND LET DAY SHIFT INVESTIGATE FURTHER AND GET ONE LAST LOOK AT POTENTIAL FOR CLOUD COVER AND JUST WHERE THE COOLEST TEMPS WILL BE. FOR RIGHT NOW HAVE INCLUDED PATCHY FROST IN THE GRIDS FOR THE NORTHERN CWA AND IMAGINE A FROST ADVISORY WILL BE NEEDED FOR SOME PORTION OF THE NORTHERN CWA AT LEAST. WILL HIGHLIGHT POTENTIAL FOR FROST IN OTHER PRODUCTS AS WELL. POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR FAVORED COOL SPOTS TO FLIRT WITH THE FREEZING MARK BY EARLY TUESDAY MORNING. THE REST OF THE SHORT TERM IS QUIET AS SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE WILL BE IN PLACE ACROSS MUCH OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS. .LONG TERM...WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY AS EXPECTED MODELS CONTINUE TO ADVERTISE HIGHLY MERIDIONAL LONG WAVE PATTERN OVER THE CONUS DURING MOST OF THE MEDIUM RANGE. PROGRESSION AND BREAKDOWN OF THE PATTERN SHOULD COMMENCE NEXT WEEKEND...BUT THAT IS MAINLY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PACKAGE. WITH LONG WAVE RIDGE IN PLACE...FORECAST AREA SHOULD REMAIN DRY UNTIL PERHAPS NEXT WEEKEND. TEMPERATURES CONTINUE TO BE THE MAIN FORECAST CHALLENGE. ECMWF MAINTAINS MORE BACKDOOR COLD AIR ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY VS THE GFS. BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY IN THE THERMAL PROGS...ONCE AGAIN DECIDED IT BEST TO KEEP PERSISTENCE/CONSISTENCY IN THE TEMPERATURE FORECAST THROUGH THE MEDIUM RANGE...WITH MAX AND MIN TEMPS GENERALLY BELOW MEX GUIDANCE AND CLOSER TO HPC GUIDANCE. && .AVIATION... OVERALL EXPECT VFR CONDITIONS AT ALL TERMINALS THROUGH THE NEXT 24 HOURS. SOME AFTERNOON CUMULUS WILL BE POSSIBLE AT KATY/KABR OTHERWISE LITTLE IF ANY CLOUD COVER IS ANTICIPATED. VSBYS SHOULD BE UNRESTRICTED. && .ABR WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES... SD...NONE. MN...NONE. && $$ SHORT TERM...TMT LONG TERM...TDK AVIATION...TDK WEATHER.GOV/ABERDEEN